what would their contribution have been given that we've heard wayne lapierre say background checks are a complete waste of time? >> exactly, martin. again, i think vice president biden if you go back to his shotgun comments is interested in having second amendment folk at the table but mr. lapierre, the way he's availed himself at every opportunity to speak publicly since the newtown tragedy has been such that we're regressing in terms of the discourse. he's not being respectful, sensitive, or sensible about the things that we need to be talking about with the inspection and information and data we have now. >> gentlemen, thank you so much for joining us this afternoon. >> thank you. >>> coming up, karl rove continues to sing for his supper. he does. stay with us. ♪ ♪ no two people have the same financial goals. pnc works with you to understand yours and help plan for your retirement. visit a branch or call now for your personal retirement review. a hairline fracture to the mandible and contusions to the metacarpus. what do you see? um, i see a duck. be more specific. i see the afl